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| i find the 6-5 rule to be unfair, because teams spend enough money on signing the right players to bolster their team through the season and attract audiences, having them worry about having a sufficient number of international players on the starters would be a big bother. and as you guys have said, money does do a lot in the game. and if nothing is broken with the system, why try to fix it? on the EPL race again though, Manchester United gained a second chance at clenching the top from Arsenal this weekend when Arsenal drew with Birmingham in the surprise of the weekend. and it's a chance United capitalized well on as they crushed the manager-less Newcastle in an amazing 6-0 win. Last year had the 7-1 night against Roma, and I can say that this is this year's equivalent. My surprise is that Ronaldo only just earned his first hat-trick in this game, seems I haven't been tracking my favorite player that well haha They're on level points with Arsenal, but they're placed above them at #1. This may be the last chance like this that they will get, and I do hope that the team make full use of this unlike last time, where their lead was short-lived due to a WestHam defeat. Reading is up next on their lists, and I'm a bit wary since, they did draw against them on the first game. But United now is far more at pace and in form than United back then. |
ronaldo
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| that's why i commented that the game seems to be "who earns more money". getting big name players for your club means entertainment. this translates into ticket sales and profits. plus, selling players from academies doesn't seem to fit my interpretation of "developing players to play for club and country". again-don't get me wrong-nothing overly wrong with that. we live in a profit-oriented worls, and the game has to adjust to the demands of commercialism. people loves stars, whether or not their team is winning. take Valencia for example. when they won the spanish liga a few years back, their was no big demand for their jerseys. while ManU and RealMadrid had trophy-less seasons, people still bought their logos. blatter's support for the 6-5 policy will be viewed as anti-commercial. the bigger question though is - will it succeed in developing local players. blatter wants more homegrown players to play in home leagues and to start in local clubs. the economics of the game points to another direction. |
Reddevil
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| That policy will definitely be met with stiff resistance at the Premiership. Look at Arsenal, I dont think they have 1 englishman in their first 11 (It use to be just Ashley Cole). Liverpool have maybe 3-4 but as long as benitez is in charge, that would be the maximum. Same with Chelsea. Man utd may have 5 englishmen who are regulars. The other soccer powers (Italy, Germany, France) may be able to swing that. But the Milan sides will complain. For Spain, Madrid and Barcelona will raise hell. With the money involved in the game and the pressure to win, that policy will be viewed as too radical. Clubs have to be given the right to put the players they need on the pitch to win. And win in style. They need to entertain. That means they will buy the best players they can find. The premiership and primera Liga will definitely lose a lot of its popularity in the world market. All fans demand that they be entertained, they want attractive attacking football. Thats just not how English, Spanish and Italian players are brought up. England has thrown a lot of money into football academies but the strategy does not seem to be working. I just think they need more foreign coaches in England to bring them up to the same level as Germany, the Netherlands, France and Italy. If this rule may be enforced in England, Italy and Spain, then it can be enforced in most countries. But this will mean the best teams currently in these leagues will not be as competitive and as such will translate to a loss of revenue. Does Blatter have the political will to take on these clubs who make up the membership of the influential G-14? What about countries like Brazil and Argentina, whose players will loose jobs. Clubs there just dont provide the same opportunities as clubs in Europe. Blatter keeps on critisizing the Premiership and Primera Liga for various reasons, this one among them. But he also knows that the popularity of these super clubs is what drives the world game. |
aubert andrew estrada
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| liverpool is trail by now, and the leading are the gunners 'arsenal'...manu got trail by the gunners again.. but liverpool will be the champion this season!!! |
abert andrew estrada
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| your are great...thanks... |
madrid_fan
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| The policy may work, but again there are I think two main implications. 1. It should be implemented slowly. Meaning, start out with a policy requiring 3 players, then 4, then so on and so forth. 2. Assuming this will be implemented in lets say, England, I don't think that clubs may have a problem because of the vast talent which is brought about by a big population. However, if this policy were to be implemented in lets say Cyprus. Then, the effectiveness of the plan may be questionable given that talent is potentially limited given the small population. Generally, I think that for this to work, best if it is first tested in certain countries. As far as sponsorship is concerned, I'm sure that in any team, only an average of 2-3 stand out as sponsorship worthy names. Moreover, should the locals develop, I'm sure that they can more than enough compensate the sponsorship draw of foreigners. |
ronaldo
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| blatter is pushing for the 6 5 policy-meaning that the starting 11 of all professional clubs should have at least 6 players qualified for the national team (this is in the december 2007 issue of FIFA mnagazine). the rationale behind this policy is that it is supposed to insure that local players get the exposure they need plus it is viewed as a way in supporting developmental academies. from one perspective, the policy does support national interest, but it will have a negative impact on the ability of the team to attract sponsors or fill up stadiums. foreign stars/players are big draws, and many big clubs are dependent on their foreign players. what do you guys think ? |
Reddevil
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| Regarding development academies, I think the situation differs from country to country. The one in Ajax I think is more successful. In England, its not very good. That is why there is a great debate going on over there with the FA on how they need to implement an efficient national academy. Despite having the best professional league in the world, the best teams do not have a majority of local talent, something that has been the trend in British football for a long time. I think it is a lack of technical training in England. The Germans, Italians and Dutch are more efficient in the technical side of the game as such they do not rely too much on foreign talent. In the English scenario, gifted individual players rise out and not the programs that they gain their training on. Thats why players like Rooney and Walcott are snapped up by the bigest clubs. For the smaller clubs that develop them, they are eventually compensated for all the time and effort they put in to train the player. That is why 2nd and 3rd division clubs will always be where they are. They will never get to use the good players they develop. The money for the club to survive is more important and there is no way the player is going to say no to the wages being offered by the richer clubs. |
Mikel
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| The English Premiership,what a show.The title race is very tight with all of the "big 4" still very close(yes even Liverpool with a game in hand). Let me start with Arsenal,if someone told me at the beginning of the season that by the new year Arsenal would be top of the league,I would have said no possible way,but it is reality and Arsenal's youngsters have really grown up are really showing true class.Fabregas is fabulous,Adebayor is really a Kanu with pace and the rest of the team is really coming of age,much faster than was thought and when Henry left ,we all thought Arsenal's got no chance but it turned to be a positive move as the youngsters of the team really got to shine.Arsenal's golden age might be gone compltely,but the new breed of Arsenal is only just starting. |
dino
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| while I'm still debating on whether I should catch ManU's FA Cup match against Villa later at 1am or just watch the replay 6pm (watching live beats replays anytime, there's this bigger sense of tension and excitement) I took a look at United's next two EPL fixtures. It's against Newcastle and Reading, two teams I wouldn't really put down as good Premier League contenders. I'd have bigger confidence in the Reds' title challenge if they are able to cruise away with some big bite against these teams, especially against Reading, whom they drew against during that poor start to the season |
ronaldo
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| appreciate the comments madrid_fan. looking at the bigger picture, i guess it doesn't really matter what team players from developmental academies end up playing for. the important thing is that the program of these academies made them better players good enough to play in the first leagues. when selling players means the opportunity for these players to play regularly and it also means financial advantages to the club then that is a very good program. |
madrid_fan
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| madrid_fan: "For example, Real Madrid. Aganzp..." It's Aganzo. Sorry for that. |
madrid_fan
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| Ronaldo: "...it seems to me that profiting from youth players is the goal nowadays." Well, there are a lot of perspectives to this statement. Let's look at clubs in the League One or the Championship for example. These clubs, if they even have any academies at all, develop young players with the goal of building a team for the future because they don't have much money. However, they do sell some of these players to big clubs simply because the money the get will benefit the immensely. Moreover, if we look at their goals as a club, in as much as they desire promotion, most of these clubs simply want to build up and not necessarily win silverware. Now, let us look at clubs in the Premier League or big clubs at the very least. These clubs have money. As such, it would be in the best interest of these clubs to use their money to build a title winning team. Now, given that they desire silverware, they want players from their academy who can provide the goods right away. In other words, if your 17, fine they'll let you stay for a few years. However, if your 21 and still in the reserves, they'd rather sell you, and make way for others who can provide more potential. For example, Real Madrid. Aganzp, Portillo, and to an extent, Soldado - these strikers have come through the ranks and did well. However, Madrid ended up selling and loaning them simply because they took up space in the reserves, and aren't good enough to help them win titles in the first team. So, overall, my point is that clubs sell youth players not for profit alone, but simply because it is what is best for their club. |
totot
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| i think for this year manunited is good team but the one who is playing better now in EPL is the gunners... arsenal is doing good at the moment,but its a looooong way to go,man u for sure will bounce back |
ronaldo
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| i am confused with how some academies are being run. take ajax for example. many dutch players came from or started under their program but none played for their senior team. they were sold to other clubs. it understandably is a profitable move for ajax. but if the concept is to develop local players who will eventually play in the senior squad, then selling them BEFORE they play for the club doesn't fit in my definition of developmental academies. manU, real madrid and barcelona has deep pockets, thus buying players near or at the peak of their careers is easy. what really interest me are top teams like valencia and juventus who make it a point to have local players in their senior squad. don't get me wrong - i find nothing wrong with buying talent. i'm just confused with the concept of club-based academies. it seems to me that profiting from youth players is the goal nowadays. |
Reddevil
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| Great comments from ronaldo, madrid fan and dino. Let me comment on Arsenal first. Wenger has always been a master of spotting relative unknowns and developing them into big time players. His newest creations are Fabregas, Flamini and Adebayor. He did this before with Henry, Lyunberg, Cole and Pires. The list is long. He just has this knack of developing players without having to spend big bucks. In that area he has outshone Ferguson. Ferguson is a little spoiled since man utd always has the resources to compete in the transfer market. Although there are players like Keane, Schmeichel and Solskjaer and even Ronaldo who will go down as great buys for United under Ferguson. But as long as were touching on development academies, the Arsenal situation reminds me of what Ferguson did in 93 with Scholes, Giggs, the Nevilles, Beckham and Butt. The only difference is, all of them were British as compared to Wenger's penchant for bringin in foreigners. Anyway, being man utd thru and thru, I will hope that United's experience grinds them out another chmapionship. But i am very very wary of Arsenal's challenge this season. With all due respect, I will have to disagree on madrid fan's contention to sell the experienced players. They have invested in Nani, Anderson, Rooney, Ronaldo, Pique and Ben Foster so i think the future is pretty secure for them. At this point Giggs, Nevile and Scholes still have a lot to offer. Even Fabregas said that among all active players now, he wants to emulate Scholes. You can also bet that when Neville gets back from injury he will slide into that right back slot automatically both for club and country. Giggs still has that savy and dribbling skills to wreak havoc on any premiership team. The comparison to AC Milan is an interesting point. However, I can not forsee Man Utd being a mid table team even in the next 10 years unless they lose ronaldo and rooney. AC Milan's position in Serie A is strange one. I think the opposition in Serie A have lost the fear factor for the AC Milan side, thats the only reason I can see on why they are languishing in mid table. But in the Champion's League, there is no other more dangerous team than AC Milan. Pirlo, Gatusso, Seedorf, Inzaghi and of course Kaka. In terms of efficiency, there is no better technical team than this one. They may finish mid table in Italy but i wouldnt be surprised if they retain the big one this season. |
madrid_fan
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| All true Ronaldo. Anyway, regarding this thing about Sam getting sacked, I don't think its the best move as of the moment for Toon. I mean, around 10 million in compensation for him, around 5 million for his staff, another 20 million for the new manager to play with, its just too much. Sure the EPL clubs are making a lot, but these are money which could be spent wiser elsewhere. Ok lets face it, under Sam, Toon are struggling to even get a UEFA cup place. However, even if they sack him, I believe that Toon don't really have anything to play for anymore this season. As such, I think it would be best to give Sam more time just like what his former club gave him. Then again, he does have this reputation of building up sleeping giants so to speak. |
ronaldo
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| i agree with you madrid_fan. manU needs the veterans to win the epl THIS year. but they also need to find/develop their replacements NOW. rebuilding means having to let go of some loyal players but it's a bitter pill that needs to be swallowed. Arsenal's rebuilding strategy is a great example. letting go of their prime players one at a time resulted in a consistent top finish without disrupting Wenger's style. Real Madrid's rebuilding process is a process also worth discussing. in recent years, and true to Galactico form, they took in stars - beckham,laarson,emerson,owen - but these were aging stars or injury prone players. and i felt they hung on too late to figo, carlos and even zidane (God forbid i get hanged for saying that). at a time when their defense had holes big enough for the titanic to go thru, they kept signing offensive players. admittedly, the star factor has to be top priority in today's world. stars sell stadium tickets. even during real's trophy-less years, the bernabeu was still filled to capacity. if given the chance to be in england today, a ticket to a manU game would be my priority. why ? so i can see the stars. same with chelsea. arsenal would be a third choice. give me a ticket to spain and a real madrid or a barcelona match will be first option. i'd like to request jack to write about the football academies of clubs so we can know more about how clubs develop youngsters in the hope that they will play in the first team in the future or sell them to interested teams. |
madrid_fan
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| Heads up, I just read that Wenger is eyeing up another 15 year old, a certain Luke Freeman. He's local though, but still looks like he's gonna be someone to watch out for. On another note, Ronaldo, you said that you are waiting for the veterans to step up. However, I believe, that is if I interpreted what you said right, that perhaps it is time for Man U to really move on. In other words, although they are looking for replacements for the veterans as of the moment, perhaps it would be better to go beyond that and actually sell some of them. Although this may come as a shock, I believe that this is what's best for Man U. Why? Well, look at AC Milan. As of the moment, they're languishing mid-table, and they're doing this while keeping faith with the likes of Maldini, etc. Now, although I'm pretty neutral with English football, I sure don't want this to happen to Man U. Not that Sir Alex will allow it, but who knows? Better safe than sorry so to speak. |
ronaldo
said:
| manU is my sentimental favorite, but my gut tells me it's gonna be arsenal. arsenal's players look hungry. they WANT to become champions NOW. plus, there is no dissent among the players and coaching staff, no serious injuries (knock on wood), Wenger just had his contract extended (thus no management problem), and the players look up to Wenger. i can't say the same things for the other teams. i feel ronaldo showboats a lot. it's entertaining but it ain't teamwork. he had a sure goal last night but he danced around the penalty box to much looking for a magnificent goal when a toe-poke would have been enough. i'm waiting for the veterans (giggs, scholes, nivelle, van der sar) to return to regular active duty so they can settle the young-guns. fergusen said they had an "off-day" last saturday. i hope they won't have another. meanwhile, i'll continue to enjoy arsenal's young players and hope that they'll continue their form. many criticized the management for disbanding the team that gave them that "undefeated season" a few years back. who could have known that even without viera,lundjberg,henry,cole,etc.,life would still be bright. |
dino
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| right now I really am starting to doubt if ManU can hold on to their title challenge. Arsenal is a pretty consistent team, and I only have the utmost respect for them, while United have a rocky-ness about their form. Last night's match on Old Trafford against Birmingham showed a lot. They created chances, but were still fairly far from their regular attacking viciousness, and from Ronaldo's facial expressions the whole game, it seems to me that he's a bit affected by the loss against West Ham...I don't know, maybe he thinks he should've gotten that penalty in. He had good shots at goal, but all of them denied. That 1-0 win was a nervous one. Liverpool isn't a problem anymore IMO, but Chelsea, well, their only hope is for United and Arsenal to slip up. The title could be decided on the last day, but I feel that the upcoming fixtures of the big 4 clubs (Arsenal, ManU, Chelsea and Liverpool) could be a big decider on where they'll stand. |
ronaldo
said:
| Arsenal is deep AND young!!! at the start of the season, many commented that arsenal would finish 4th-6th because of their inexperience. shucks, someone throw away the age factor coz Wenger and the boys just smashed that theory into bits. i'm betting that the EPL title will be decided in the last playing day. a tie in points is even possible. it may even be decided thru goal difference. if so, wouldn't it be great if the last game of the season would be arsenal vs manU. |
madrid_fan
said:
| Ronaldo, I couldn't agree more. With so much going on between Benitez and Hicks, Liverpool are out. As for Chelski, well, money never buys anything, at least "permanently", as seen with them and my former Galactico Madrid. With that, may I humbly insist on Arsenal because as I was reading a couple of articles the other day, I was astonished at the depth of the squad. In other words there are positions wherein they have at least 3 back ups. So, if injuries or international duties are that much of a problem for other clubs, Arsenal, I believe, won't have to worry because of their depth, and can thus concentrate on their upcoming fixtures. |
ronaldo
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| it's roy, not robbie. corrected i stand. ManU won last night, as did both arsenal and chelsea. with the african cup depleting teams of key players, it would be an interesting January and February. Yup, the return of both Neville and Scholes as well as a healthier Giggs will help United. the trio may well be in their last year or two at united before retiring and they want to go out in style. Ronaldo seems determined to become next year's FIFA player of the year and and he knows an EPL title will give him the award. unless chelsea get some players thru the transfer window, i'm betting that the EPL crown will be between Arsenal and ManU. count liverpool out of the picture. Manchester City will displace them at fourth and Eriksson will have a Champions League berth next year. |
Reddevil
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| Hey guys, Being a man utd fan, I must have to say my piece. They lost against west ham and thus lost the lead to arsenal over the weekend. It really dampened my new year celebrations. But its still very early and way too close to call. two points at this point is nothing. Both of them have games later so it looks like its going to go down the wire come May. Again, let me rant against those programming people at espnstar. they have not shown a single manutd game in the Philippines thru the whole congested holiday fixture. I really envy you Jack, you must have seen every game in the premiership thru the holidays. Anyway, i hope man utd pull it off again. It would be difficult for Arsenal's youngsters to continue at this pace and I think when scholes and neville come back, it will be more of the same for united. Happy new year everyone!! |
Mark TEBO
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| EPL? I am sure that one club emerges as the winner of this season's Premier League. The main contenders would be Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. I also think that dark horses Everton and Man City would also make this an unpredictable season. I think that Man U will retain the title, but i think that it will be a very fascinating season. But that could change, mainly after the January transfer window ends. HAPPY HOLIDAYS! |
madrid_fan
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| Nuno: "Roy not Robbie Keane." Whoops. My bad. |
hardstud
said:
| Chelsea could make an effort to squeeze to top of the standings as the difference between ManU with them is only 4 points while 6 points for Arsenal... |
hardstud
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| I hope u can stay until march so you can see theaction in Thirsty Cup, Cebu were more than 200 teams compete for the title in every category. The San Carlos City Football Club 8U is one of the main contender for its category.. |
nuno
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| Roy not Robbie Keane. As always, it's going to be a battle between the big clubs, and few surprises. In the relegation battle, looks like my Fulham is going down this year. Yeah, we're only halfway through. The new coach will have time to figure out this team and hope he'll improve the defense come January. |
madrid_fan
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| 18 more fixtures to go - too early to make any predictions. While this is true, I'd like to believe that it will be Arsenal bagging the title this year. I mean, unless Wenger pulls off a Vieira on Fabregas, I don't see any reason why they can't pull it off. I mean they're young, brash, simply put, quite consistent. With the top settled, what intrigues me is the battle for the UEFA cup spot. In as much as the Big 4, are well, in the Big 4; I can't help but have this eerie feeling that one of them may just slip, and make way for Man City. Don't bother about Everton, but I just feel that Sven could just do it especially with the transfer window set to open again. As for the bottom, no, Bolton won't go down. Fulham, unfortunately, I believe will. With Derby done for, among the rest, I believe that the final one not to make the cut is Sunderland. Sorry Robbie, you're keepers aren't good enough - they concede too many. Happy Holidays! |
ronaldo
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| If arsenal wins later today then manU will trail them by 2pts. it's still a long way to go before the season end and a 2pt lead is by no means a safe margin. far from it. with the title clearly a battle among manU, arsenal, chelsea, and liverpool, my attention is now focused on the bottom tier clubs. i'm a sucker for the underdog, and i would love to see sunderland stay in the premiership. why? simply because of robbie keane. i am a big fan of central midfielders, and keane was among the best in his generation. he attacked and defended, ran up and down, and always played to win. his aggresiveness may have frayed his relationship with siralex furgeson at the end of his manU days but blame that on competitiveness. i'd enjoy keane and sunderland competing at the highest level. they had a pretty good start but i guess luck has run out. i see their style pretty much like an italian team - hard play. perhaps after paying his dues,keane may someday sit as top honcho of his beloved manU when fergie retires. which brings me to another thought. was furgeson ever considered or offered the English head coaching job in the past? if he was, what were his reasons for declining? Happy New Year everyone!!!!! keep on kicking!!!! |
dino
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| the EPL race sure is heated last night was a hard blow though, ManUtd lost a 1 point lead against WestHam to lose the game...and as far as what I could see, they looked like losing everytime the Hammers had the ball. I was optimistic, but for some reason after Ronaldo missed his penalty, I felt that the game would go downhill. Add to that Chelsea's win over Newcastle and Arsenal reclaiming top spot, 2 points over ManU. it's gonna be a tense race next year. happy holidays haha, did you have a good one? |
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